Thinking About the Adwords Quality Score, User Data, and Organic Rankings

Michael Gray

By Michael Gray
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It’s dark, it’s late, I’m on my second red bull and I’m looking at some stats. I’m seeing things, funny things, interesting things, things that should be thought about, take a look into my thinking if you are curious …

When I spoke with Matt in Vegas I unashamedly admitted that I don’t want Google to have all of that user data, because I think they will “use it against me” to make things harder for me (not personally just sites in general). I know I’m in the minority thinking that Google is currently using user data in any meaningful way, and in true Matt Cutts form he neither confirmed or denied my suspicions, but instead chastised me for confusing causation with correlation (see I was paying attention). However for the sake of my argument let’s just entertain the possibility that Google is gathering user data and could possibly be using it in the algorithm.

If I were profiling or trying to establish a fingerprint for “thin affiliates” one factor I might use is “time on site” or “sliperyness” which would be opposite of “stickyness”. The goal of an affiliate is to rank a page for a series of terms, have the customer come to the page follow the information scent click to the merchant and complete the transaction giving you the commission. The more people do this the better and more “slippery” your site is. From Google’s perspective they want to bypass the middle man and bring you directly to the merchant, so slippery sites are might be an indication of poor quality site.

Let’s say you are doing PPC arbitrage for a CPA program. Using a landing page on your site the more slippery you are the better. The more slippery you are the more conversions and profits you will make. However if Google thinks you are “too slippery” you might get flagged a poor quality and get price jacked. In my Profits Murdered By Google Adwords post I detailed a site I was using for PPC that I eventually had to stop advertising for since it became too expensive. However a some interesting things happened after I stopped sending PPC traffic to the site. Overall the site became less slippery, since the really slippery users were no longer visiting. So the average user to the site was spending more time on the site and having more page views. Starting in September the number of visitors started to uptick. This uptick became a little steeper in October and is holding it’s upward motion through November.

So did this slippery user data that was coming from the PPC pages cause a negative indicator that was hurting the organic rankings? Hard to say looking at data from only one site. However I do have two other sites which show similar but much less pronounced trends that are similar to this site. I wasn’t doing much else to the site, just posting once a week to the blog, and not doing any active link hunting or viral marketing, so at the very least it’s an interesting coincidence that I’ll be watching.

So for anyone else who got hit hard by the quality score price jacking, did you see an increase in organic traffic?

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{ 7 comments }

Jeremy Luebke November 26, 2006 at 3:08 am

I’m in the same camp as you. I am convinced that Google is using User data to gauge trust of a website.

There are so many top webmasters I have heard say otherwise, but I believe the only reason they aren’t a believer is because they haven’t been able to quantify it. Buying links and seeing results is easy. Testing how user data affects organic serps is on a completely different level.

How can Google not be using this information? It’s the hardest metric for spammers to manipulate because of the user base Google has with Analytics, Tollsbar, Adsense, and so on.

I actually touched on the subject here
http://www.xuru.com/blog/googles-conversion-metric/

I consider this a documented case
http://www.webmasterworld.com/supporters/3144316.htm

Tudor Mateeescu November 26, 2006 at 1:46 pm

I can’t understand how google knows your page views, the time spend by a user on a page and so on.

And if this is true I think we have a problem – google controlling all the web.

Michael Gray November 26, 2006 at 1:58 pm

If someone has the toolbar installed they know what page was visited and could quite easily give it a time stamp. Measuring how much time is spent on any given page seems a bit to intensive, however determining average page views per site and average time on site would be pretty easy.

Marshall Clark November 26, 2006 at 2:02 pm

I saw your talk with Matt at PubCon. It was amazing how little he said while still keeping the conversation friendly.

Clever guy, he should go into politics if this whole ‘Google’ thing doesn’t work out.

BTW – I got some cameraphone pics of the conversation posted on my blog. Not the best quality, but they’re pretty entertaining.

esoos November 26, 2006 at 6:14 pm

They could get some of this user action info from buying ISP logs, no?

http://www.isp-planet.com/marketing/2004/selling_privacy_editorial.html

Michael Gray November 26, 2006 at 6:28 pm

They could but I think it’s kind of interesting how so many new projects they put out have “phone home” qualities to them. Google reader for example sure is nice to know what real people are subscribed to and reading. Also pretty nice to know who’s gaining readers too.

SEO Buzz Box November 27, 2006 at 2:56 pm

I do not believe Google is trying to kill the middleman and have been reviewing cool products found on Amazon.com as an affiliate. There is a great need for affiliates to better define products. Google rewards us kindly for this task via Adsense in the sidebar.

I know nothing about PPC because I do not need it with increased organic traffic.

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