Comments on: Why There’s Nothing Wrong With Sculpting Your Pagerank http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/ Michael Gray rants on SEO the internet and media Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:43:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ways to Use the Nofollow - Shimon Sandler - SEO Consultant http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-66441 Ways to Use the Nofollow - Shimon Sandler - SEO Consultant Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:45:28 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-66441 [...] Resources: Does PageRank Sculpting Work? Yes. Why There’s Nothing Wrong With Sculpting Your Pagerank. Sculpting Your PageRank For Maximum SEO Impact. Nofollow sculpting my take. PageRank sculpting - [...] [...] Resources: Does PageRank Sculpting Work? Yes. Why There’s Nothing Wrong With Sculpting Your Pagerank. Sculpting Your PageRank For Maximum SEO Impact. Nofollow sculpting my take. PageRank sculpting – [...]

]]> By: To NoFollow or To NoIndex That is the Question | SEO Blog | Search and Social http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-63653 To NoFollow or To NoIndex That is the Question | SEO Blog | Search and Social Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:25:07 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-63653 [...] Gray protects the concept of link juice shaping, but not if it means killing the concept of good site [...] [...] Gray protects the concept of link juice shaping, but not if it means killing the concept of good site [...]

]]> By: Pocket SEO http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61772 Pocket SEO Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30:08 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61772 I think that sculpting PR with nofollow is a bad thing for the Web and breaks standards - but I use it to some extent now. Google sends the most traffic so it can't be ignored. Robots.txt was designed to control robots. Google complicates things by ignoring webmasters' wishes and passing PageRank to pages blocked by robots.txt. That is one of the core problems. Search engines may not treat nofollow the same across the board now or in the future. I think it's best to be somewhat cautious with it. Also take into consideration how your site might be affected if Google changes its mind about the issue and doesn't tell you. Google (or other engines) might eventually decide that "a site always votes for its own internal links" and start disregarding internal nofollow. Google cares about its SERPs, not about whether the algorithm works exactly the way they say it does. I think that sculpting PR with nofollow is a bad thing for the Web and breaks standards – but I use it to some extent now. Google sends the most traffic so it can’t be ignored.

Robots.txt was designed to control robots. Google complicates things by ignoring webmasters’ wishes and passing PageRank to pages blocked by robots.txt. That is one of the core problems.

Search engines may not treat nofollow the same across the board now or in the future. I think it’s best to be somewhat cautious with it. Also take into consideration how your site might be affected if Google changes its mind about the issue and doesn’t tell you. Google (or other engines) might eventually decide that “a site always votes for its own internal links” and start disregarding internal nofollow. Google cares about its SERPs, not about whether the algorithm works exactly the way they say it does.

]]> By: Jaan Kanellis http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61737 Jaan Kanellis Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:10:12 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61737 Another thread on the topic: http://www.webproworld.com/search-engine-optimization-forum/67474-does-page-ranking-sculpting-work.html Another thread on the topic:

http://www.webproworld.com/search-engine-optimization-forum/67474-does-page-ranking-sculpting-work.html

]]> By: tonyrocks http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61735 tonyrocks Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:48:59 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61735 Michael, Your page rank is the same as mine. I need to stop posting here...I'm actually working on SUCCESSFUL link buildings strategies and need a site with a higher PR! :) Michael,
Your page rank is the same as mine. I need to stop posting here…I’m actually working on SUCCESSFUL link buildings strategies and need a site with a higher PR! :)

]]> By: Edward Beckett http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61722 Edward Beckett Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:25:08 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61722 Michael ... It is obvious here that we have a case of an SEO speaking out on (A rather old topic for informed SEO's) the use of the rel="nofollow" attribute. I use it extensively to sculpt and shape page rank and have done so very carefully, but with no negative consequence thus far. One of the best reasons that I have found it to be so useful is to direct the PageRank where and how I want it applied. Following example five in Ian Rogers Paper ... <a href="http://www.ianrogers.net/google-page-rank/" rel="nofollow">Google Page Rank and How it Works</a> There is a clear correlation between improving PageRank through creating web sites based on a hierarchical structure ... If there are too many pages that are linking out to other domains or pages, then the use of rel="nofollow" is a highly useful attribute to support the aforementioned hierarchical structure. Edward Michael … It is obvious here that we have a case of an SEO speaking out on (A rather old topic for informed SEO’s) the use of the rel=”nofollow” attribute. I use it extensively to sculpt and shape page rank and have done so very carefully, but with no negative consequence thus far.

One of the best reasons that I have found it to be so useful is to direct the PageRank where and how I want it applied.

Following example five in Ian Rogers Paper … Google Page Rank and How it Works There is a clear correlation between improving PageRank through creating web sites based on a hierarchical structure …

If there are too many pages that are linking out to other domains or pages, then the use of rel=”nofollow” is a highly useful attribute to support the aforementioned hierarchical structure.

Edward

]]> By: Brent D. Payne http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61699 Brent D. Payne Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:00:45 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61699 "And please let’s not pretend PR sculpting is new… We’ve been doing that with JS links for years before nofollow came around" @joost - Agreed. The problem now is that a lot more people know the concept of pagerank funneling. Matt just let out part of the SEO community's 'secret sauce'. Michael - - well put, and I agree that pagerank sculpting isn't a substitute for usability. Brent D. Payne SEO Manager Tribune “And please let’s not pretend PR sculpting is new… We’ve been doing that with JS links for years before nofollow came around”

@joost – Agreed. The problem now is that a lot more people know the concept of pagerank funneling. Matt just let out part of the SEO community’s ’secret sauce’.

Michael – - well put, and I agree that pagerank sculpting isn’t a substitute for usability.

Brent D. Payne
SEO Manager
Tribune

]]> By: Jordan Kasteler http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61684 Jordan Kasteler Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:21:25 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61684 Glad you addressed this Michael. I find myself often disagreeing with some of Shari's practices but to each his/her own. :) I also LOVE that IA book. A definite Must-Read for any search marketer and/or developer. Glad you addressed this Michael. I find myself often disagreeing with some of Shari’s practices but to each his/her own. :) I also LOVE that IA book. A definite Must-Read for any search marketer and/or developer.

]]> By: Halfdeck http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61683 Halfdeck Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:35:48 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61683 "if you look at the original intention of the nofollow tag." I keep hearing this BS...I mean, Jesus Christ, if Matt Cutts gives you lemons, make lemonade. If you don't like lemonade, well, that's not my problem. “if you look at the original intention of the nofollow tag.”

I keep hearing this BS…I mean, Jesus Christ, if Matt Cutts gives you lemons, make lemonade. If you don’t like lemonade, well, that’s not my problem.

]]> By: Dizzle http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/comment-page-1/#comment-61680 Dizzle Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:55:23 +0000 http://www.wolf-howl.com/google/why-theres-nothing-wrong-with-sculpting-your-pagerank/#comment-61680 Who wants to listen to some cranky old woman who tells people not to 301 redirect either. Give it a rest Shari... Who wants to listen to some cranky old woman who tells people not to 301 redirect either. Give it a rest Shari…

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